Thank you, Rev match I say problem. Suddenly the half yellow engine light came on and was telling me that reduced engine power bla bla. 2D55 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable Last question- if it is a failing timing chain- is this a something best repaired in a couple weeks, or do I have a few months. The timing chain & guides are bathed in engine oil, not fuel. I dont remember which hole it is in the flywheel,,,I do know once you have it in the correct hole you can not turn the motor back or forward that when you have found the correct TDC,,,,you should also make sure cylinder 1 piston is up. No turnover on start at all. N20 vanos unit broken Posted on April 6, 2016 by bmwtechnician Ok here's another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. I am quite surprised to see that in Europe there is no one who has reported this problem, whereas with you in the United States it seems very frequent. Hello! P052B; BMW 131501 VANOS, inlet, cold start: not controllable P1325; BMW 132408 VANOS, exhaust: camshaft not at locking position at start . This will likely be the first and last BMW I will ever own. Cleared the code, and restarted the engine, within . no hesitation. Changed the exhaust VANOS. Is there a or way trick to clear the code without seeing a mechanic or using a code reader?ledrew, No there is no way to trick it,,,you would have to scan it and clear it with a diagnostic scanner,,,it will clear as long as it is not a permanent fault then it wont clear. Just need to clear the check engine light. Hello guys this post is really helpful , i own F22 2014 220i gulf specs its in the middle east the car has been serviced in the agency and never been informed about the chain issue , should i be concerned ? Hello there, loving your info. I manually crank engine over few time but after start it always goes retarded on exhaust cam shaft. The process of deleting the faults and restarting the car was performed many times. he said, he need to take out the valve cover to check the timing chain, tensioner and cam shaft. For information on programming and coding with ISTA/P, refer to Covered under the terms of the BMW New Car/SAV Limited Warranty or the BMW Certified Pre- Do you think is this something related to eccentric shaft sensor? to model implausibly too high . The fuel pump tank pressure is good when i check but when i read the data for fuel rail its very low and drop right back to 0.. It has 115k miles on it so I am worried about the timing chain problem, but It was manufactured in 10/2011 which is before the listed date here (06/2012). I was told by a mechanic that the engine was done, simply by information from a scan. The cost of diagnosing the P052B BMW code is 1.0 hour of labor. Maybe the function test is different with cold start faults present. Engine Thank You very much for the reply !! The original window sticker says my car was 65% made in Germany and 5% in Canada or something. Should I proactively replace the timing chain tensioner, part number 11318685091 (replaces part number 11317567680)? Learn how your comment data is processed. 120408: Boost pressure control, cut off pressure rise blocked. Is this true? This website is not affiliated with BMW AG in any way, and should not be confused with the websites of BMW AG, BMW M GmbH. Usually the Vanos units lock in its default position when engine is turned off. My mechanic has replaced the timing chain and the broken guides along with all the other stuff that BMW recommends. Defect Code: 11 36 01 96 00 The timing was checked several times after installing the new chain. Thank you!! are the codes it wont start i have a timing chain set on the way have you seen any of these engine survive after But thats not what happened. I have 13 bmw 335i xdrive with a vsrf catless downpipe, afe intake, Remus exhaust, jb4 on map 2 and jb4 connect kit. It all depends are your production date of your car,,,you can also tell the dealer about this bulletin. also by any chance would you know the torque specs for this bolts? F010-13-07-506 for the F10 Loss of power and smoke on the exhaust when accelerating. Sorry for the confusion, I understand you have the N20 engine,,,,what Im saying on the N20 engine the vans unit failing is not a common problem like the N51,,,,,on the N20 engine there are no replacement bolts for the vanos unit not like the N51. Picture of my timing chain guide rail cracking: https://imgur.com/4P3ATsK. Brought it to a second mechanic. Clean both solenoids and reinstall. WARRANTY INFORMATION So I have an US 2013 BMW sdrive28i with 109k miles build date 02/2013. reference point is the same? Other Repairs There were no faults. 130304 Vanos exhaust control fault camshaft jammed Question,,,,,why did we replace the DME with a used one,,,that might be a problem,,,,a used DME can not be used because it is programmed and encoded to a different car,,,,what is wrong with your DME? The engine was idling when it happened. Disregard my question. You only touched an accessories belt part. Cheers, Also, I had the whole transmission replaced at 42K miles when I bought it. 2013 BMW X1 E84 WITH N2O MOTOR 11400ML 61 00 710 Refer to KSD2 Programming / encoding control unit(s) Did they use a different timing chain guide before 06/2012 ? Yes I have seen some engines survive,,,,it just hard to say what damage was done to the engine and how bad it is,,,,and is it worth fixing. or can I slowly unscrew the center valve and insert a new one? Entdecken Sie SKF VKMA38227 Keilrippenriemensatz Keilriemen Satz Keilriemensatz fr BMW in der groen Auswahl bei eBay. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. But that is all. with the following integration levels: https://youtu.be/FQ92t236Utg. Ok,,,,no the sprocket does not have to be in a special position,,,,you have to lock down both camshaft with special tool,,,engine on TDC,,,,you have to tighten the chain tensioner and then you can tighten both vanos unit,,,you should be able to hand turn over the engine to TDC and lock down the camshafts again with the tool and you should be fine after that. Just realized the cut off is February 2015, not 2014. 130308 Do I have to buy the extended warranty to get the timing chain replaced by BMW or the 7/70 warranty is for all bmw? Thanks for the input, do you think dealership will take my picture as evidence and approve chain replacement? No,,,timing chain issue only on gasoline engine, Your email address will not be published. Cost for the strap $7.49. 2D5B VANOS, intake, control fault, position not reached That test sets the cam to a desired number of degrees and reads the actual degrees. 2: 12A701 Catalytic converter downstream oxygen sensor, electrical fault: circuit short to battery (+) Dealer wants almost 300 euro to check the timing chain. I assume the tensioner is operated by oil pressure and its normal to feel some slack when the engine is not running? After starting the car again the error came back on the screen but the power was back. Did this on the intake side. One customer describe his 2013 BMW F18 525Li with 61000km mileage got trouble.The car engine warning light on and central display "Transmission malfunction".But it can start engine and accelerate normally.More repair cases about BMW,please check here:BMW Trouble Repair Use BMW ISID to diagnose,got trouble code as below: Fault Code: 135401 Fault Explanation: Valvetronic: overloaded Hello BMW Technician, I have a 2011 BMW 535i with N55 engine. within the BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty and this coverage extends beyond the I have 2013 x3 with N20 that just finished replacing timing chains guides tensioners etc. The fault returns when its hot outside and comes back even faster when I turn on the air conditioning. to performing repairs, please see SI B01 02 11 for Emissions Warranty Coverage and refer to the Engine also has forged crankshaft with 4 counterweights that is installed with shift. Are there many vehicles that run on ethanol in the United States? The values changed. Thanks! I reside in Alberta as well. F34 Up to that point the engine was smooth as silk!! Is it possible to remove the snap ring and take out the VANOS spool valve, spring and check ball for cleaning with the VANOS unit in the engine? three fault codes are This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B12 15 13 dated September 2013. Im wondering do I need to have the 7/70 warranty to get covered on this timing chain problem? Hey guys, I have a 2014 m235i and at work today I started my car and I got this code. My daughters 2013 survived. Thats a good possibility thats the timing chain issue. The hardcore BMW fan base could not help but fall in love with the spritely performance offered by this upgraded engine. The boost control fault is caused by the vanos fault,,,you need to check into the the vanos faults to see whats going on. F020-13-07-506 for the F3x Had mechanic put on Autel code reader diagnostics and got 10 or so codes relating to things such as the dinamic stability control, fuel pump. Wont restart. This TC issue really is so unfortunate, at a time when BMWAG is behind upstart like Tesla and old foes like Audi. If the fault code for camshaft position sensor goes away or swaps position from intake to exhaust (or vice versa), the fault code is being caused by the VANOS solenoid. It definitely isnt a prominent/dangerous rattling sound like in the video Jack posted on Aug 30. It started during a hot day waiting at a traffic light. Or maybe the fuel that would be implicated! Got it replaced for half of the price in warranty, consider also the timing chain replace if needed. SITUATION What can be the issue, they have fixed it twice already, I dont know what the automatic calibration means on a sulve.,,,on this P3195 code that isnt a factory code so I dont know what it means,,,you said BMW fixed the radiator what did they do to the radiator,,,,did they replace it,,,,you could have a t-stat issue causing a temperature problem with the radiator,,,or a water pump issue,,,,I need BMW codes,,, not P codes. F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership : BmwTech 2 Posted by 2 years ago F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership Hey guys, I have a 2014 F30 with the N20 motor and the only mods are the dinan stage 3 tune and a dinan fmic. I say bad engineering or a BMW scam? There are no timing codes. We are just have an idea that it is fuel related due to other countries dont have the same problem as we do,,,and we have different fuel requirement then other countries,,,,so what might be happen is the the fuel burn is not as great as other countries and causing more stress on the timing chain causing it to break down. 2011 BMW 535i [0.00] 535i drivertrain malfunction. You are correct almost all the problem are in the States,,,all the engines are built in the same plant,,,there is a good chance that the fuel is the cause of these problems,,,,yes it is a good thing your car is not on the list. Could you please guide me? Emissions Warranty coverage that applies. BMW like to keep some things to them selfs,,,,they dont want to release any information if they dont have to. F31 Labor operation code 00 00 006 is a Main labor operation. One other odd problem during this time was the oil level test did not work. Ive got a 2014 320i with 36,000 miles. But the list post on this forum shows E84 X1 xDrive28i with N20 is a recall! Work time (WT) labor operation 61 00 006 requires an individual punch time. Also camshaft sensors also does not give any data to DME. F10 Yes, for mine BMW was due to a fault to the timing chain tensioner. I know there has been a lot of people complaining to BMW NA about this problem,,,I think there is a case where people are trying to sue BMW over the timing chain issue,,,one of the problems is none of the other BMW have this problem only the N20-N26. I want to reset the timing on my N55 but I cant lock the Vanos units in its default position. I bought a used 2012 528i with 109k miles about 4 months ago. Is this related to the new engine I got? With the VANOS solenoids removed, the spring loaded VANOS spool valve moved in and out easily. Risking my good fortune I had to run the VANOS function test again. I went to the shop today to see what codes it was and i got a code: P13C0. 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Please help! It currently has 165,000 km without any chain problems. I called the mechanic he said it was a fault related to the emissions. I personally know of one person that had a total loss on their X1 engine in Saskatchewan back in 2016 before BMW Canada acknowledged a widespread issue with the timing chain on the N20. Thoughts?? 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I have ISTA-D and scared the following codes. Exhaust Camshaft: Installation faulty. And is the tension just spring our does it rely on oil pressure as well? Four months later I got a drive train malfunction that turned on then went away after a day. 130f11 Its hard to say what the problem is without see the car and performing some test,,,but it doesnt sound good when the low oil pressure light came on,,,sound like something major happened internal inside the engine. Symptoms when timing chain fails is engine wont start,,,engine wont turn over,,,,have your mechanics see if he can turn the motor over by hand with a breaker bar on the front crank bolt. Rather it is no cost extended warranty in Canada. 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable 131808 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached . Thanks for responding. So just saw this in the nick of time. So your car software level is July of 2019,,,,this is when it was last updated,,,so your car has fairly new software. 2D57 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Position not reached labor operation. Thank you. Ive change engine mount, spark plug, coil but problem is the same. Apr 14, 2022 BMW F30 328i 2013 N20 engine "Drivetrain malfunction etc" comes on occasionally. The actual angle also varied as in the previous test but on average was nearly equal to the desired angle. If so, can I buy the warranty for the used car now? Required fields are marked *. 61 00 006 WT Performing vehicle diagnosis test 120308 charge air pressure 130E20 Jake 6,848 satisfied customers I replaced my timing chain and oil chain on my 2012 BMW carlosbosch satisfied customers Daniel The engine is running rough at idle. So if you treat your BMW well and extend the life of the timing chain and guides, you get punished for it. DME. Everything else works perfectly at 176,000km. and it seems like they are about to settle this case on 9/2/2020. The details of the settlement if approved by court will extend timing chain and oil pump drive chain to 8 years/100000 miles(which ever comes first). Thanks you! iTrader: ( 0) After change chain tensioner - Drivetrain Malfunction. If one of the applicable faults listed above is not stored in the DME fault memory then continue still the same problem. The update can only be done at the dealer,,,you will only need a update if there is some kind of BMW recall on software or if at anytime your car might need some other repair which might call for a update for the repairs.,,,your 2009 is a lot older system,,,that car is like Windows XP compared to Windows 10,,,,lol,,,theres a big difference both cars and software,,,also your 2009 mow doesnt make any new updates for that car because of age. hello i have a 2013 bmw x3 from a family friend with n20 I had to replace the valve lifters. 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